A company doesn’t owe you anything because they introduce a new model. At least they’re back in that sweet spot now. Remakes, and improvements on 2 synths I already bought (sub phatty, then sub 37). And few take a notice of it – as long as it sounds good. Moog Subsequent 37 2-Note Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. Unlike Apple – who spend a gawdawful amount of money on advertising and promotion – Moog has its name and its reputation for innovation and high quality. 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To illuminate the enhanced sonic vocabulary of the new Subsequent 37, Moog’s Chief Engineer, Cyril Lance, is joined by Snarky Puppy’s Cory Henry in the Moog Sound Lab Moog Sound Lab. Before assuming all complaints related to price are by noobs, try rationalising what it is you’re looking at & what they want. Completing the sonic evolution of the Subsequent 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. With the leftover cash, I’m deciding between the Behringer D or waiting out for the Dreadbox Medusa. Seems like more for your money. Pros: - It … All of these “sound” the same to me – see if you don’t think so. Not every complaint’s unreasonable. A Moog is what you put on top of VAs or workstations for when its time to play a standout section. And since the headroom of the mixer is up there..Great space to mix these 5 oscs + noise and sub osc. . Once you’ve built such a thing, and it’s real – there begins a process of continuous improvement and refinement. so thats what Moog meant by “Limited Edition” for my Sub37 when i brought it. Amen. Weren’t they selling those larger modulat aystems for like $50k? Synthesis, Korg Drumlogue Drum Machine (Sneak Preview). Could not get the same sound from the 37. Moog Music today announced that it is discontinuing the Sub 37 Tribute Edition and replacing it with the Subsequent 37, the little brother of the previously introduced Subsequent 37 CV. This one seems to have finally got that moog sound back. ), they have to train support people on how it works so they can assist people who call customer service … and I’m probably leaving a lot of stuff out. Why would they need to “upgrade” the Sub 37? 107 Moog Sub 37 presets that deliver unbelievable character and colour.. Five years in the making. Good decision to make CV standard for an extra price bump. It’s just a sad fact of life that hardware doesn’t lend itself to updates like one can do with software. Oh, now I see, the price is the new standard.. De sebsequent 37 with a Behringer minimoog in the external in Midi connected though the 5 pin. Honestly, people should simply be aware that when you buy the 1st generation of something – a synthesizer, a car, a television, etc – there’s going to be a 2nd generation, maybe even a 3rd or 4th or 5th – that is going to be somehow ‘better’. One comes with CV as standard (not limited to 2000 only) & will integrate with modular systems, the other does microtonal scales. Somehow, this one feels hard to justify having the Roland SE 02 around. By selling a lot more units, don’t you suppose? The Sub-37 has many advanced features that were simply not possible or practical to incorporate in the original D at the time. I’d like to thank moog for justifying the last string of comments I made about them on the minitaur update thread. I don’t work for Moog, but I strongly suspect that their business model Is something like that of a European sports car manufacturer. The Sub 37 or Subsequent 37 offer a wide sound range (with no patching) and patch memory. I bought an opened box Sub 37 and I love it. Choose Subzero Deluxe and access the ultimate music production toolkit (Over 1.7 GB). Don’t care what they say – ain’t no minimoog…. I’m not sure what to think about this. In addition to the sound engine augmentation, each Subsequent 37 comes with an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier strong enough to drive the most demanding headphones, and a software plugin/editor for both Windows and Mac platforms. Can the Subsequent 37 use the same patches as the Sub 37 Tribute Edition? Moog describes the Subsequent 37 as ‘The New Standard’ – which positions the new monosynth as not just a replacement for the Sub 37, but as a replacement for the company’s discontinued Minimoog line. Moog is preparing us for the future. The Subsequent 37 is already shipping from the Moog Factory and currently available through Moog Dealers worldwide for $1499. Moog Minimoog Model D vs Moog Subsequent 37 I own a Moog Subsequent 37 and I love it so far. And hey – sometimes businesses screw up and you’re *glad* you’ve got a first gen. Also note: because Moog are who they are, they (like Ferrari)(correctly) understand that they have an obligation to maintain the reputation of their name and to promote the industry that they are a part of. The contents of this article are subject to worldwide copyright protection and reproduction in whole or part, whether mechanical or electronic, is expressly forbidden without the prior written consent of the Publishers. oh well. The Sub 37 somehow manages to fuse the two OSC better and you get a more harmonic sound, especaly on duophon sounds. I agree completely tho pity they didn’t get this SIMPLE AMPLITUDE OPTIMIZATION right on ANY of the previous models…. Its control panel has 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. Core Sonic Territory - Oscillators and Filters: All three of these synths have you covered for searing analog leads, basses and plucks. Maybe you should look also to the Dominion Club when it well be available? To put it another way, Moog have taken many of the improvements made in the Subsequent 37 and put them, largely, back into the Sub Phatty. The big sellers are cheap synths for noobs, that’s why you get so many people complaining about price, every time a new synth gets introduced. I hope they survive. The Moog Subsequent 37 is the most straightforward of them, offering up the classic Moog analog architecture, with basic routing and modulation options. Comparing numbers like that sounds like something the pointy-haired boss from Dilbert would do. This provides access to a new range of classic clean tones in both mono and duo performance modes. But what means “standard” if it changes. … its developed into a great synth and it is now the mono synth to beat. I wish to see something cool from moog again. I’m holding out for the Consequent 37. I’m so sick of this dumb game. The Mother-32 was a revolutionary value when it was introduced, too. It’s STILL a great combo of features, quality build and good sound. Each of the enhancements found in the SUBSEQUENT 37 maintains the magic and character of its predecessor while also providing access to new dimensions of sound and improved playability. Well you can’t just have a “tribute” edition. I think of this as a sign of a company that’s struggeling. The Sub-37 does many things the D simply can't, but where they overlap, the D wins hands down in my opinion. So most of the time it ends up as a (very expensive) sub bass generator. We go beyond the news that Moog Music have discontinued the modern classic Sub 37 analog synth and replaced it with the Subsequent 37 by providing a full video review of the Subsequent CV 37. Your paying for the name and pedigree. Implementing the upgraded sonic modifications and functional improvements found in the limited-edition Subsequent 37 CV (minus the aluminum aesthetic and CV outputs), the new Subsequent 37 will become the standard production … I realise they have invested in the tooling and components, however where is the innovation and progress? [1] although my original Sub37 is probably built a lot better than many Ferrari s. Based on the many companies in this niche that do manage to create new products that don’t completely cannibalize their previous ones, I would say that Moog is perfectly capable of developing a more diverse array of synths with greater frequency. That said I am really struggling to decide whether to GEt a Moog Sub 37 or the Sub Phatty. If I had the cash, I’d buy everything they make. A modern classic first built in 2014, the Sub 37 (the first model) and SUBsequent 37 (the later model, often still called the Sub 37), builds on Moog's slightly older Sub Phatty monosynth. Also, you could have just updated the firmware to allow for the extra headroom. Even Minimoog expanders with a case , and knobs were at that price range. I want an Abyss so bad. Moog Subsequent 37. I’m done with Moog until they decide to actually evolve as a company and do something revolutionary in the spirit of Bob Moog. Completing the sonic evolution of the SUBSEQUENT 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. Implementing the upgraded sonic modifications and functional improvements found in the limited-edition Subsequent 37 CV (minus the aluminum aesthetic and CV outputs), the new Subsequent 37 will become the standard production model moving forward. Wasnt about limited numbers sold, it was about a limited sound. These are both very useful features live. The best you can say about present Moog products policy is….Cory Henry! “We are really excited to incorporate community feedback into the evolution of an instrument. I recently sold my Sub 37 and put some of the cash to a SE-02. Such a shame all the new work goes to re-newed synthesizers and the older ones will not get any attention any more. If they were a megacorp, sure–but they’re a small company and they don’t do things by halves. How is a dual OSC supposed to replace the 3 OSC minimoog? As long as there’s an Audio in, you can route whatever other synth you like through to get that extra oscillator (a Shruti for example to get 8-bit wavetables). IMO Moog is doing fine. The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds on the award-winning design of the Sub 37 Tribute Edition. (Moog take a look at Clavia and see how easy it is). You could probably get captured by a cannibal tribe in South America and say “Moog synthesizer” and they’d drag out a late 70’s Minimoog and a Heathkit guitar amp, all powered by crusty automobile batteries. I wonder if there is a Sub 37 upgrade path. I’m sure they spend some money on ads – but I strongly suspect that most of their sales rests on their reputation, and, importantly, that their reputation isn’t just a lot of hype. Their oscillators are gorgeous. Pity. I had my eyes on it since the previous sub 37 came out, but for some reason I always went for something else. Not until I played one next to a Mini did I find anything not to like. The Subsequent 37 The Moog Subsequent 37 CV has been a huge hit at Sweetwater. I liked the character in the Minitaur more tho it was limited in its own ways. Leveraging the mixer’s newfound flexibility, the gain-staging of the Ladder filter has been reshaped to boost harmonic saturation and analogue compression, resulting in an overall richer low end, claim Moog. In addition to the sound engine augmentation, each SUBSEQUENT 37 comes with an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier strong enough to drive the most demanding headphones, and a software plugin/editor for both Windows and Mac platforms. Not sure. Its control panel is home to 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound-design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. The huge remake of modulars..etc – didn’t come without a cost. The original Sub37 is an amazing piece of hardware. You may login with either your assigned username or your e-mail address. I’m p.o.ed that they make a great synth, and suddenly discontinue it because another synth is being made. Looks that one will give you a lot of sounds for not that much money. Why am I not hearing any audio in "Active Panel" mode? Every synth on the website is disconnected for no reason. The Sub Phatty ultimately fathered the Sub 37, which gave way to the Subsequent 37 (see the 'Sub Vs Subsequent' box), which has now sired the Subsequent 25. All rights reserved. At least the better keyboard would be nice. Let’s say Ferrari[1]. ), IIRC the Minitaur was a new architecture which begat the Sub Phatty which begat the Sub 37. Or perhaps the Successional 37 CV Pro Turbo. such clipping, so wow, much aggressive (; Depending on what Mandela Effect Multiverse your in you might want to consider hoping on eBay and grabbing a Moog Antecedent 37 while thery’e still “reasonably” affordable. Perhaps it’s just me, but this synth is…difficult. As its name suggests, this new instrument shares a lineage with Moog’s Subsequent 37 and its predecessor the Sub 37, although its closest relative is 2013’s Sub Phatty, which it replaces in Moog’s line-up.. I'm not surprised, it's a confusing product line, but I'll attempt to clarify it as we go along. How do I download the Sub 37 and Subsequent 37 Editor / Librarian? I’ve been a chance artist since a little boy (neighbors thought I was strange, freezing colored liquids in the winter back yard to see the forms they’d take). I’m pretty bitter, it feels like they’re saying “we fucked up” with the sub 37. There’s a reason Apple only has a handful of phone models and Harley sells the Sportster and Softail rather than a massive series of machines with incomprehensible model numbers like GX-805. In fact the Minimoog isn’t mentioned anywhere in it. No, 2 oscillators and one sub oscillator. The Moog Subsequent 25 appears to be a compact, less expensive option than the popular Subsequent 37. I’m happy, the company’s still afloat, improving their great sounding products at a competitive price point. It's bigger, meatier and easier to pilot - the Sub 37 user gets (for a nominally hiked price) a keyboard poised to be the most exciting member of the Phatty line. . I do like the “softer” sound of the old one better. So I wish Moog all the best! So a 3 osc synth from them is quite tempting. Sold my Sub 37 and bought a SE-02… no regrets here. Yes, I was totally waiting for them to at least say something positive about the Sub 37! Mine sold quickly on CL. Why not just get it right the first time and move on to something else? I played a Sub 37 once. The Subsequent 37 features the circuit design updates to the Sub 37 that were introduced with its big brother, but not the CV connectivity. With that logic we would still be driving Corvairs and Pintos (if we had not yet burned to death in a fiery crash). Great care has been taken to ensure accuracy in the preparation of this article but neither Sound On Sound Limited nor the publishers can be held responsible for its contents. Moog has revealed its new Subsequent 37 synthesizer. The Subsequent 37 features the circuit design updates to the Sub 37 that were introduced with its big brother, but not the CV connectivity. I hardly ever use drive or clipping when i design patches. NAMM 2021: PreSonus release Analog Effects... Moog debut semi-modular Grandmother synth, Distant City Studios - A Drum Room With A Difference, Mastering Essentials Part 6 - Final Delivery: Requirements & Specs. Moog synths have a better build than Dave Smith’s, so you know you’d be looking at a $3-5,000 synth if Moog did it, and that’s just not where the market is. Where are presets stored on my computer? This sounds like marketing jargon. Progress is good. The wood trim finishes off the overall premium look and feel. As they say “you won’t be able to tell in the mix”. Moog could pull off their own high-end DeepMind 12 thing, but what for? But not every synthesist needs CV routing, so by popular demand, Moog has released the Subsequent 37: it's the same great analog synth — minus the CV. Things get oddly muddy and undermine the point. What they really need to focus on is the Vouyger line. The award-winning Sub 37 Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer has been discontinued from production to make way for Moog Music’s new standard: the Subsequent 37. Improved keybed is welcome. The Mini sounded so nice. Careful iteration and focused product development pays off in the long run, especially when a company focuses on high-end gear. The Subsequent is definitely an incremental improvement, but why shouldn’t they update it over time? Let's take a look at a blow by blow comparison of features of these three Moog synths: So, this new synth has three oscillators? Being a snob means you’ll miss out on some great synths that lots of other people own. They seem to be pretty similar in sound but the Sub 37 has a bigger keyboard, it's Paraphonic, has a sequencer, a screen, an arpeggiator, more knobs on the front panel and other additional bells and whistles. Moog should have kept it at $1499 with C/V I/O without those aesthetics. The Subsequent 25 is a two-note paraphonic analogue synth paired with a 25-note keyboard, making it the most compact of Moog’s current crop of non-modular synths. I’m pretty sure they would like to develop new stuff, but I am not sure they have the funds or leadership to pull it off. Slow, careful iteration; well-respected and relatively bug-free products. I also own a Sub 37 and I could care less about this upgrade, it’s negligible at best. I've got a specific question about the sound of the sub 37 vs a Model D. I have a sub 37 already and have dialed in a very smooth beautiful bass sound that I use as the primary sound in my band which as some of you know is a folk and improvisational jam band. In any case, some people might even prefer the sound of the Sub37, just like some people still swear by the Virus B, instead of the TI… grit can be good. I should have got it a long time ago, as it became my favorite piece of gear in the studio in just a few weeks! Yeah the Dominion Club is another one I was looking out for. However, the sound is the crucial factor and the D sounds rather better to my ears than the Sub-37. I’m sorry that I’m going to sound like a jerk saying this, but: a lot of the people commenting here haven’t a clue about how product development works in the real world. I don’t get the sarcasm and brutal comments that are so common on this site. This is my first Moog synth and I love it. What a pity! The views expressed are those of the contributors and not necessarily those of the publishers. With the release of the Subsequent 37 CV I was a little mad (especially cause those CV ouputs would play nicely with my modular gear, and an improved keybed seems like a plus), but considering the higher price I wasn’t too jealous. I have a sub37 and a voyager, the sub 37 is cool has a lot of knobs and all 2 mod busses, some great funcionality but the sound is sad compared to the voyager, tiny, not 3d at all, and mine came with a problem wich i can’t solve caus i am in Brazil. Its control panel is home to 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound-design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. Production is limited to 2000 pieces worldwide, with the first 125 units built on-site at Moogfest 2017. 2 osc and a sub isn’t quite the same thing but it’ll get you by in many cases. $300 for some C/V I/O. I honestly cannot think of a company that have made more out of remakes than them. I’m having much more fun with the SE-02 to be honest. If you've got a Moog Music Sub 37 synthesizer but are suffering from GAS now the new Subsequent 37 is available you can now upgrade your instrument. . If they offered some sort of an upgrade path for current Sub 37 owners I would be more accepting of these improvements. I actually prefer the tone of the Sub 37, and I certainly prefer the (significantly lower abroad) price I paid! Confused? Fair enough, but some of us are pretty happy with our Sub 37s as they are. I don’t know if that is technically true (I’m no expert) but you get the idea, I agree. Hear it in action here: Although the new Subsequent 37 adds new features, these are in no way intended to detract from the character of its predecessor. Of course thats because of the more driven sound of the Sub 37, which is why the sound can get more homogen at some points. For all those existing Sub 37 owners out there looking wistfully at the newer Subsequent 37 ( read our review of the CV version ) Moog Music have a solution for you. Using an Audio Precision analyzer and an oscilloscope, Cyril Lance compares the audio outputs of both the original Sub 37 and Subsequent 37. Look at Studio Electronics.. After I bought it, I remembered I had the midi to CV modules on a couple of my racks. If they improved these issues with the new edition, it might be worth a shot. See the Moog site for details. Recognizing another chance art here was easy. 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